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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Lanny » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:39 pm

Jim_Alaska wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:49 pm
Lanny, are you kidding :?: You say that I am an "encyclopedia of mining knowledge". The reality is that I am just a baby compared to you. Back when I was in Alaska, many years ago, and just getting into prospecting, you were already finding gold in places that amazed me to read about.

I vividly remember you posting on a forum that I don't remember, about finding gold by sweeping out road culverts. I also remember you posting about finding gold, I think with a detector, on the side of a gravel road.

It seemed to me at the time, that everywhere you went you found gold. I learned a lot from you over the years.
Such a kind thing to say Jim, and I really appreciate it; however, I will always stick to my guns in believing you know far more than I'll ever learn.

In addition, thanks again for all of the things you've been willing to share over the years, and all the best,

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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Lanny » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:18 pm

Ten Stream Mystery Cabin

I was checking my prospecting notes from 1997, and I came across a story I’d almost forgotten about.

In 1997, my prospecting buddy and I traveled to a goldfield that took us some sixteen hours to reach. (Most of the route was on paved roads, but the last six hours were on gravelled, active logging roads. The roads were not topped with crushed gravel, but with what’s classified as pit-run gravel. That type of gravel is simply unsorted rock that comes straight out of the gravel pit, minus the huge rocks, but it’s the rough rock Mother Nature dropped after ice-age glaciers melted. Not a smooth riding surface for normal vehicles!)

To get to the goldfield, we traveled in a four-wheel-drive diesel, and we towed a large flat-deck trailer with a small backhoe and wash-plant. As well, it carried a quad, and all of our camping gear, grub, and miscellaneous mining equipment. In addition, it freighted our steel-framed wall-tent and a cozy wood-burning stove.

We had packed all of that equipment to make the trip after receiving an invitation to do some testing on promising placer ground, ground located in a remote area.

We’d been into the territory the previous summer and had found some nice, coarse nuggets with metal detectors, and we’d caught a nice catch of flake gold and pickers with sluice and pan. As well, we’d earned the trust of the local miners and claim owners, and had been invited back to bring in the bigger equipment.

Once we arrived, we set off on a series of prospecting day-trips to try and find some promising additional ground to justify bringing in the extra equipment.

We explored one interesting area where we’d seen signs of previous testing done in the 1800’s. There were shallow test pits liberally scattered across an ancient, heavily glaciated low-lying area, the uneven ground punctuated by numerous little streams and small lakes.

We’d found the previous year that the old-timers tested glaciated areas such as this because the numerous small streams concentrated any gold the glaciers carried. Of course, the unknown factor was which glacial runs were carrying gold. So, the detective work for gold was carried out over the years with pick and shovel, which left the numerous test pits scattered across the valley floor.

At this location, the valley terrain was populated with pine, fur, and aspen groves. Large yellow, black, and orange butterflies fed among legions of mountain daisies and stands of fireweed. Humming birds, multi-colored with iridescent hues, buzzed in and out hunting nectar. In addition, Jet-black ravens shadowed us as we worked toward our chosen spot.

Suddenly, in a stand of thick timber, we found a massive ditch work—the remains of a huge hydraulic operation from the 1930’s. After crossing the ditch and its steep bank, we hit a foot of standing, swampy water, a spread-out area fed by multiple small streams. We waded through, and then the ground gradually sloped upward. My partner went to prospect around a small lake, and I followed one of the larger streams to see where it led.

(Finding some workings and trash along the way showed the area was prospected in the 1800’s and again in the 1930’s. However, no buildings remained, nor were there any recent signs of human workings. And, we never saw anyone else in the area while we explored over several days.)

As I continued to work my way upstream, the stream split, and continued to split multiple times. I found myself in a unique geological area, completely surrounded by small, gravelly streams. There were ten of them in all! I stopped and panned them, but I only got infrequent flake gold—nothing coarse.

The interesting part about this area was that there was a large mounded hummock that split the paths of those little streams, and it was timbered with trees and brush.

This island-like rise of ground caught my attention, I forded the streams, bush-whacked through some pine and willow heading up to the rise to see if I could find some good panning ground.

But, after fighting through the brush, I was stunned by what I saw. Hidden within the brush, and completely invisible from the lower level of the streams, was a prospector’s cabin! To convince myself it couldn’t be seen from lower down, I went back to stream level, and carefully looked back from many viewpoints, and that cabin could not be seen. The only way to find it was to stumble upon it, for it was guarded by streams on every side.

Whoever chose the site did so carefully. It showed a level of stealth I have neither seen before nor since. I’ve stumbled across other old cabins, with some of them cleverly hidden as well, but none with such a specialized craft for secrecy.

The roof was collapsed, and the interior held the remains of an old wood-burning stove, rusted bedsprings, some shelves along the log walls, one small window, a caved in cache pit below the floor, a very solid door frame, and a porcupined assortment of protruding square and round nails sprung from the log walls, indicating living quarters in the 1800’s and then again in the 1930’s.

Outside, there was a large overgrown garbage pile with old lead-sealed tins, broken hand-blown glass, as well as more modern glass. There were old enamelware pieces; tobacco, evaporated milk, ham, and fish tins; broken crockery; remnants of rusted pots and pans; as well as corroded kerosene and oil tins. Due to the size of the garbage pile, the mystery inhabitant(s) had spent considerable time at their hidden site.

I spent about six more hours prospecting the immediate area, but it was a confusing web of small streams, little lakes, beaver dams, and swampy ground. Wherever the phantom prospector’s diggings were, I couldn’t find them in the time I had available.

We abandoned the area and then set up the equipment in a promising area closer to our base-camp. We recovered some nice coarse placer gold with a ton of character.

However, that mystery cabin still puzzles me, and perhaps I’ll get back one day to solve that fascinating northern riddle.

All the best,

Lanny
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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Jim_Alaska » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:14 pm

Perhaps you will get back one day??? How about tomorrow? Don't wait, time is a cruel master. Age and infirmities cause stories like this to remain only in the mind of the story teller, only to become yet another mystery unsolved.

I have a story somewhat like this one you posted. It too contains odd things, such as, an old "D" handled shovel leaned against a tree, by a stream, fifty miles from any civilization. I am confident that no other human eyes have ever been cast upon it and it had probably been there, just like it was, for twenty to thirty years. Now understand that I found this thirty years ago.

So, a shovel having leaned against a tree for forty or fifty years? A mystery indeed. Although it remains in my mind, any story connected to it will remain untold; for as far as I know it still leans against that tree by the stream. I left it as it was. In the almost thirty years since that time, age, infirmity and distance will assure that the mystery will never be uncovered.
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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Lanny » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:47 pm

Jim_Alaska wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:14 pm
Perhaps you will get back one day??? How about tomorrow? Don't wait, time is a cruel master. Age and infirmities cause stories like this to remain only in the mind of the story teller, only to become yet another mystery unsolved.

I have a story somewhat like this one you posted. It too contains odd things, such as, an old "D" handled shovel leaned against a tree, by a stream, fifty miles from any civilization. I am confident that no other human eyes have ever been cast upon it and it had probably been there, just like it was, for twenty to thirty years. Now understand that I found this thirty years ago.

So, a shovel having leaned against a tree for forty or fifty years? A mystery indeed. Although it remains in my mind, any story connected to it will remain untold; for as far as I know it still leans against that tree by the stream. I left it as it was. In the almost thirty years since that time, age, infirmity and distance will assure that the mystery will never be uncovered.
Jim, that does sound like a great (leaning-shovel) mystery waiting to be solved, and I appreciate your advice as time can be a cruel master. my mind still thinks I'm 21, but the mileage on my body tells a different tale.

Your story reminds me of one a mining buddy of mine told me. He was in Alaska on some GPAA claims, miles from camp. He was rooting around in some brush by a creek that appeared suddenly from the side of a mountain, issuing from a set of springs, and he stumbled on a cache pit. In the pit, under a couple of sheets of corrugated iron (all covered by fallen leaves and rotted vegetation) were shovel heads, pick heads and pieces of screen. After he found these items, he looked around more carefully and could see where the digging had happened. He panned the dirt and got over a dozen coarse colours to the pan! He kept going back and forth from the the stream to pan and of a sudden noticed something different about the stream bottom. Using his shovel, he uncovered a sluice box made of redwood! So, whoever had been working there had hauled in the lumber to put gravel through it in volume. Long story short, the association opened up the spot where the springs emerged and they hit great gold. I was there when they did a cleanup and their modern-day sluice box ran yellow with coarse gold from top to bottom!

That was one mystery solved by some determined detective work by my buddy.

All the best, and thanks for your reply,

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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Lanny » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:17 pm

No nuggets in smooth bedrock?

Most of the time, smooth bedrock doesn't hold gold, but I have run across some spectacular nugget finds in smooth bedrock. Even if the surface has been pounded smooth or weathered flat, it doesn't mean that there weren't cracks in the bedrock before those massive re-shaping and smoothing events occurred. So, when I'm in gold country, I always check smooth bedrock with my detector as well, and I have been rewarded, from time to time, with some incredible results because the worn, smooth sheets are often overlooked, with most nugget shooters giving them a pass.

What new shooters don't realize is that any bedrock in gold country has an excellent chance of holding gold. It's not as likely as rough bedrock for a trap; but, due to untold years of change and weathering, any bedrock in placer areas offers a chance I don't pass up, as the rougher bedrock has usually been hammered to death.

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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Jim_Alaska » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:55 pm

That old shovel I spoke of was really old too. It had the spade part riveted on to the handle. just like the old timers had. But this shovel was only one of many things I noted over a number of years I spent in this local. Some were quite amazing and some inexplicable, that just left you shaking your head in wonder.
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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Lanny » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:34 pm

Suction Eddy Gold, Part I

I prospected a river quite a while back. It was far to the north, down in a steep canyon lined with lots of alders, pine, and fir. Rugged slopes led down to the stream, and I was trying to find a spot where I could detect or pan for some of the nice coarse gold the area was known for.

I took a wrong step and got smacked in the face by an alder while trying to get down to what was clearly an active suction eddy during Spring Flood.

The eddy was straight down the mountain slope from where an old placer tunnel went in, about a hundred feet up slope. The mine (called a “drift” mine by the locals) went into the mountain on a bedrock hump, about seventy feet above the river. The Oldtimers had seen the hump and drifted toward it along the up-sloping bedrock that rose from the river, hitting the hump then driving underneath about fifty feet of boulder clay (almost exclusively clay, yet sprinkled with boulders and lesser rock dumped from the long gone Ice Age glaciers). [The mine entrance is still there, but the tunnel is caved in.]

Some modern miners had come in with big equipment and made a road around that bedrock point on the hill, cutting into the bedrock as they widened the road, while slicing across the drift mine entrance.

Now, what a dummy I was--I didn't detect that scraped off bedrock hump where the drift mine had gone in! Instead, I went over to the entrance, and hauled several heavy buckets of material down to the river to pan.

What a miserable time I had getting those buckets down to the river, skidding down that 30 to 40-degree slope covered in broken bedrock and loose cobbles. Fun? Not as much fun as a double root canal, but just about. Still, I was way over the legal-limit for fun.

Every bucket held gold, but only flakes. And, as I was chasing coarse gold, after lugging three five-gallon buckets of clay goo from the mine entrance to the river, I'd had enough fun.

But, since the eddy I’d picked to prospect was exactly below that bedrock hump, I dropped into the spot, a truck-box sized hole high water had cut into the river bank. It was littered with bread-loaf sized cobbles.

I was in my own little enclave down there, and I couldn't be seen from the equipment-trail above, nor could I be seen from up or down the river on my side of the stream.

I had packed down my old VLF detector and a shovel with me. I fired up the detector and scanned the cobbled section. I immediately got a loud signal.

I chucked a load of bread-loaf cobbles into the river and scanned again. The target was still there. Moving the underlying loose stuff, I exposed a nice square nail. What the . . .? That wasn't what I wanted, but square nails were everywhere on that bank!

Well, being the dimwit that I was, I never made the connection this was a good sign (heavies dropping out during flood stage). So, I scanned more bank, got more signals, then gave up detecting because I KNEW every signal was a square nail. (Dumb yes, but I was quite a rookie back then.)

I cleared the rest of the loose stuff from under the cobbles and chucked the stream-run back into a hole (eight-foot deep) in the river. That hole lay downstream from a series of bedrock drops, it being the only calm water in a long stretch. This clue should also have lit up my gold-getting brain, but my rookie mind was a steel trap, and once shut, no helpful gold logic was getting in.

What I found after clearing the overburden was friable rock standing over a layer of soft decomposing bedrock. So, I scraped the shingle-like pieces off and panned it all out. Immediately I had coarse gold in my pan! What the . . .? My rookie brain began to make connections.

All along that eight-foot section of bedrock, there was fantastic, coarse, sassy gold!

Sitting down, I looked at that river eddy excavation. The bedrock, where the eddy had dumped the heavies, rose up into the bank. At that moment, my brain finally made another connection. (Part II to follow)
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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Lanny » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:35 pm

Jim, I know just the type of spade rivets you're talking about. They are the old ones.

Maybe one day you could elaborate a bit more on some of those other mysteries?

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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Jim_Alaska » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:56 pm

Lanny wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:35 pm
Jim, I know just the type of spade rivets you're talking about. They are the old ones.

Maybe one day you could elaborate a bit more on some of those other mysteries?

All the best,

Lanny
Yes Lanny, I may just do that. maybe just open a thread dedicated to just some of those mysterious, or unusual things.
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Re: Golden Grams of Goodness: Nugget Hunting Tales

Post by Lanny » Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:40 am

Sounds great Would love to read your stories.

All the best,

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